Friday, March 31, 2017

TFBT: Quotes and Links Part XIII

Advice from Demeter and Achilles, “If you don’t get your way go sulk in your tent/temple until they come begging”

Acts 10:24 “Cornelius... had called together his kinsmen and near friends, who were like-minded with himself.”

Achilles’ old armor had to be shrunk by the god to fit Hector”page 79, Homeric Moments, Eva Brann,

"Achilles, your name will stay alive, even in death and your glory will be great for generations to come!  Od 24.93-94"

Achilles, an intelligent aesthete, and the only character in the Iliad who speaks in simile.

Achilles to Apollo, Iliad 22:14, "Thou hast foiled me, thou god that workest afar, most cruel of all gods."

Achilles decides, "I have lost a safe return home but I will have unfailing glory." Iliad IX 413.

Achilles marries (Medea) in the Elysian Fields.  (He) is ...the future husband of "Cytaide"; the strange bacchante.”

According to Herodotus (2.53.1-3), Homer and Hesiod are the repository of knowledge that provides the basics of education for all Hellenes

If any man obeys the gods, they listen to him also.  Iliad I. 218"

      We are awesome and hard for mortals to appease...we stand apart from the gods”The Eumenides; 385       “We undertake to ruin any house, where domestic violence kills someone”The Eumenides; 355

“Zeus begat Heracles, his last child in Alcmene.”

“Zeus wants to alleviate the Earth by depopulating the many heroes who weigh upon it” (Cypria fr. 1 Allen)

“Zeus is nothing to this son of Poseidon (Polyphemus)”Homeric Moment by Eva Brann

“Zeus himself in all his works hath Mercy for the partner of his throne shall she not also find a place by thee my father?”Oedipus@Colonus

“Your previous employers were a rapist and drug baroness, surely I’m an improvement” Miss Fisher from

“Your own afflictions are enough for you, I think. You unhappy man, you don’t need to mourn the next man’s troubles.” Philoctetes  (403)
"“Your eyes speak to my soul"" Casanova, Giacomo. “The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt, 1725-1798."
“Young people cannot practise too much the art of walking”

“You may safely bet a hundred to one that a young man who has once lost his purse or his passport, will not lose either a 2nd time.”Casanova

“You heard that expression Isos Arei-- equal to Ares. Well, that signals that this is the beginning of the doom of Patroclus.” 5.CB22.1

“You have freed the whole realm of Argos by lopping off the heads of two serpents with a fortunate stroke.”Agamemnon 1046 

"“Words between Aeneas and Achilles reveals the presence of an independent Aeneid tradition within the Iliad” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

“Without intelligence or any sense of justice; the achievement of a harmonious world order would be inconceivable."  Luc Ferry

“Within the conventions of epic composition, an incident that is untraditional would be …beyond destiny”Nagy
“Why dost thou show me iniquity and cause me to behold grievance?” I ask my wife during breakfast and still she turns on the news!  (Habakkuk 1:3)
“Who would go to bed with a sea monster if he could help it?”Od 4:443
“While he sleeps is no longer a captive, and feels no more the weight of his chains.”
“Which decision will appear more manly in the eyes of my rival and will win my own esteem to the deeper degree?"

“Whereas 'honor' is conferred by cult, the prestige that ‘kleos’ brings is the undying glory of Epos.”  Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

“Where on earth are they? Where will this thing be found, this dim trail of an ancient guilt?”Oedipus Tyrannous 108-109

“When Zeus would withhold (Athena) ... sneaked the Titan up the back stairs of Olympus.” Ann Shearer in Athene

“When truth and good news part, the rift shows plain enough.”Philip Vellacott in Agamemnon

“When I meditate on my past life and its varied adventures. I feel that no misfortune has befallen me save by my own fault,” Casanova

“When Hephaestus creates a new shield for Achilles, he also, like a bard (Homer) creates a well wrought narrative."

“When a man   abandons his own nature and then acts against his character, all things are dreadful.” Philoctetes by Sophocles 1187

"“When (Achilles' son) quarreled with the attendants over his rightful (share), (Apollo] killed him in his own precinct, (at Delphi)"" Pindar"

“What kind of music do you usually have here?”

“We have both kinds. We got country and western!” (Blues Brothers)

"“What is recurrent in ritual is timeless in the epic tradition, just like the unwilting glory of Achilles.” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

“What I saw was enough to strike me dead on the spot!” Casanova

 “What of importance, once livelihood is assured and the family launched and leisure left over?  Homeric Moments, Eva Brann,

“What a day has dawned for me, kind God! Yeah, a glad man am I!”Odyssey 24.513

“Well pleased with my liberality; it was the best way of making peace with the tribe.”

“We were an iron-ring, unbreakable, they shared immortality with (me) Achilles," -Helen in Egypt by HD
“We must listen to the streets before we listen to the towers” (Willis, 1978, p. 7).

“We mortals must bear our bad times patiently. “ Medea 1018

“We do not feel called upon to be angry with our neighbour for doing what he likes." Pericles

“We are between the wild thoat of certainty and the mad zitidar of fact-we can escape neither.” Edgar Rice Burroughs. “The Gods of Mars.”

"“Very often that which bears only upon the private interest of the people is lightly treated by the rulers.”  Casanova, Giacomo."

“Trials were…in the open air so that the murdered person’s philoi would not ... incur the (murderer's) pollution”

“Tragic heroes tend to undergo sudden catastrophic shifts of fortune- their fate- which leave them transformed but also dead”  Eva Brann

“Took pleasure in turning the leaves of the great book of  life”

"“To what chance, reverend sir, am I indebted for the honour of having you in my custody?” Casanova, Giacomo."

"“To weaken the force of my arguments, she was... hurling at me a proverb, (like) the Romans throwing the catapult”"

“To try is one of the first proofs the human spirit can give of its divine essence; to succeed is the last.”  Alexander Dumas, Caucasia

“To the gods all things are easy.” Archilochus of Paros

“To say that Homer is important to the culture of the Greeks is an absurd understatement.  Homer is Greek culture.

"“To lose a passport is a misfortune which befalls only a thoughtless, giddy man,”    Casanova, Giacomo. “

“To feel nothing one would have to be as cold and impassive as a German.”. “The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt, 1725-1798

“To enjoy fully the liberty I thought I had just conquered, it was not long before I had made the very worst acquaintances”. Casanova,

“To enable me to write well, I have only to think that my readers will belong to that polite society:”Casanova

“Thus the watchers are guarding the coast.”  Linear B tablet quoted by Michael Wood, "In search of the Trojan War"

"“Those who perish in the hands, of physicians are more numerous by far than those who get cured.”  Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt.”"

“Those who don't believe...a woman can make a man happy thru 24 hours of the day never possessed...Henriette."

“This was finer than anything we had ever seen or even imagined in our wildest dreams!”Alexander Dumas, Caucasia

"“This night is very long-immeasurably so. It is not yet time to sleep in the palace."" Odyssey xi 373 

"This insidious form of hubris that goes by the name of boastfulness.”“The Wisdom of the Myths”, Luc Ferry 

“They went their way by the shore of the sounding sea”Iliad 9:181

“They say the Myrmidons returned home safely under great-hearted Achilles’ glorious son Neoptolemos” (Odyssey 3.189.)

“They say he has reigned for three generations so that it is like talking to an immortal.” Odyssey 3.245

“There's a worthless tribe...which dishonors what's at home  and  looks far away, hunting down... w/hopes that cannot be fulfilled.” Pindar

“There was in his tone, as he made this reply, that love of country which astonishes the rest of the universe” Dumas, Alexandre.

“There is only one order to give; arm and fight the enemy”Euripides “Rhesus”

“There is no mention in Homer of a sacrifice of Iphigeneia by her father “
"“there is a similarity between the orgins of Asclepius and of Dionysus”“The Wisdom of the Myths”, Luc Ferry"

"“There are some prejudices which a woman ought to respect.” Casanova, Giacomo.

"“Then the dual a pointed exclusion of Odysseus from those who are most dear to Achilles Nagy_BA"

"“The Will of Zeus also entails the permanent separation of gods and men.” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

“The three sacred words of the mysteries of Eleusis meant: Watch, and do no evil.”

"“The theatre was a necessity for me; I always went unless it interfered with some still sweeter pleasure."  Casanova

 “The submissive gaze of a captive who glories in his chain.” The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt"

 “The runaway slave is a great man by night.”Euripides “Rhesus”

“The result of a respect for the laws, it keeps the social scheme together;" The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt,

“The requests of Night may not be well ignored.” Iliad  6:280

“The relationship between Zeus, Thetis and Achilles; presupposes a version of the succession myth.”J. Strauss-Clay “Hesiod’s Cosmos”

"“The pride of rulers is something to fear; they often order men, but seldom listen.”   Medea    120"
“The price of Zeus's hegemony is Achilles' death.” The Power of Thetis
“The present moment is the only real thing in this life,”The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt,

“The people will only be happy when they are crushed and down-trodden, and bound in chains.”  Casanova, Giacomo

“The organization chart isn’t really how it works.” Jeffrey Immelt CEO of GE

“The only time that Jesus weeps for a person is for... Lazarus, who he proceeds to bring back from the dead (John11.15) Samatia Dova,

"“The one on whom all responsibility rests is apt to endure the most.” Edgar Rice Burroughs. “The Gods of Mars.”" 

"“The Odyssey, in the words of David Monro, “never repeats or refers to any incident related in the Iliad.” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

"“The noble son of Iapetus outwitted him and stole the far-seen gleam of unwearying fire in a hollow fennel stalk.” (Hesiod, Theogony: 566"

“The need to test and challenge the authority that rules the world is... irresistible”

“The movement of the sun into and from the Oceanus is seen as a cosmic model for sleep and awakening, death and rebirth”

“The motif of the fallen hydria (in vase painting) symbolizes the primal parental fear of the death of the children.”

“The milk of the bad mother (Hera), poisoned in the breast by the arrow dipped in the venom of the Lermaean Hydra.”

"The man who can give birth to amorous desires is easily called upon to gratify them”  Casanova, Giacomo. “Memoirs of Casanova

“The loves of Zeus are deities of the earth: "The rains of heaven (Zeus) do not fall upon the moon.”

“The life which is unexamined is not worth living.”Plato, Socrates’ Apology 38a

“The Lacedasmonians did not betray any open signs of anger against the Athenians at what they heard.”Thucydides.

“The knife which all honest men must carry to defend their lives in my dear country.”

“The initiates wear iron rings thereafter.” Walter Burkert speaking of the Mysteries of Samothrace
“The idea of ‘moira’means not only fate, but portion and share.” Richard G. Geldard

“The hearts of the great can be changed Iliad 15. 203

"“The heart of man is indeed an unfathomable abyss,”  Casanova, Giacomo.  

“The happiness I gave her increased mine twofold" Casanova

“The grove, the grotto and the bathing place of the goddess””Actaeon by Seamus Heaney

“The gods granted Helen no more children after she had borne Hermione, who was fair as golden Aphrodite herself. “Odyssey 4.11

“The genius behind our Iliad’s artistic unity is in large part the Greek epic tradition itself.” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”

“The fox knows many tricks, the hedgehog only one.  One good one.” Archilochus of Paros
"“The feeling of being in your place, has no comparison.”Monica

"The descendants of Nyx are excluded from any parental lineage or cosmogonic
Succession relating them to Zeus”"

“The depths of cruelty and bestiality to which omnipotence may drag its possessor” Edgar Rice Burroughs. “The Gods of Mars.”

“The dangers of flower-picking and falling asleep emerge as important themes in... the death of Opheltes.”

"The conflict of Achilles and Agamemnon contrasts martial with social superiority” “Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.”"

"The cages vomited forth their inmates hot with the lust to kill.” Edgar Rice Burroughs. “The Gods of Mars.”"

“The bronze sky is beyond his reach forever, but he has found all the happiness our mortal race can come to.  Pindar Pythian 10

"The Bronze Men are   'nameless' in that their deeds cannot be glorified by poetry;” Nagy_Best-of-the-Achaeans.  

TFBT: Quotes and LInks, Part XII

 Did you know Prometheus was in the Bible?  "I have come to bring fire on the earth  Luke 12:49
Did the Hecatoncheires and Cyclopes pray for a savior while bond in Tartarus?

Designing is the shedding of options. -saleswoman at Ethan Allen

"Death by lightning is the key to this rebirth: the thunderbolt of Zeus’ simultaneously destroys and regenerates"

David Monro, “The Odyssey never repeats or refers to any incident related in the Iliad.”

“Danger is a strange thing; at first one fears it, then faces it, then longs for it! “ Alexamder Dumas My Adv in Caucasia

Cronus, called "Centaur" as father of Cheiron LYCOPHRON, ALEXANDRA  1189 ft 6

Creusa to Aeneas, "Do not seek me now; for I have been taken by the gods, and they have put me in their number"

Creative is another word for destructive.

clasped each other's hands and pledged their faith Iliad 6.233

Civilization begins at the moment sport begins...that life satisfies its pimary needs and,,,enjoys a little leisure.

Circe was a Homeric witch able to transform men into sacrificial swine.  Walker 1983

Chiron shaming Apollo “You who know the appointed end of all things, and all the paths that lead to them?” (Pythian 9)

Centaurs and River Gods generally don't have sons.

centaurs  “a monstrous brood resembling both parents; the father above and the mother below.”  Pindar Pythian 2

"catered only to the gods, Earth, established her oracle in Delphiâ, she is also called â proto-mantis  first foreteller .”"

But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more...Prov 4:18
“but it had to be that one of the royal Aeacids be inside the most ancient grove (Apollo’s temple at Delphi)  Pindar N.7.44-47

Brann on Patroclus; “Homer does him, more often than anyone else, the rare honor of the intimacy of addressing him dircetly.”  Page 88

“bonds are the privilegded weapons metis”  Detienne and Vernant 1974

“Before our eyes we must behold his world rise up from the deep- and take on form.” D. J. Snider  on  Iliad’s Homer

Atlas’ bro Prometheus advises Hera how to escape Hephaestus' Throne. Get the smithy-god drunk!

Atlas holds up the sky on the W edge of the world. Bro,Prometheus tied to the Pillar on the E

Athens predominant over tribute-paying allied cities, its ego most inflated.  Alarm bells ought to be ringing.  - Sissa and Detienne

Ate, thrown out of Olympus by Zeus...fell on a hill in the Troad which was hence called the Hill of Doom. LYCOPHRON, transl. A.W.Mair

at Plataea (they) remained...for ten days because the omens... did not advise either side to attack.

At Hour 25 we're studying the common words in the Homeric Vocabulary.  I think we've learned six words for speak and only one for listen!

"As Thetis' 100-hander ally ""Briareos had a cult at Karystos and (as) Aigaion at Khalkis."" Best of the Achaeans, Gregory Nagy"

As the sun-god Helios ascends the stars before him dive into the sea,

as the guy wth the pen, you are managing...the room... the action and the followthrough...after the meeting. J Quigley

As Pylades says, “It is possible for great bad fortune to  give rise to great changes.”  Iphigeneia in Tauris 721-722

As Homer does for Achilles, so Plato did for Socrates.

As a blamed in the Iliad Thersites is described as most hateful to Achilles (II 220). 
Hence in my estimation most hateful to Zeus and Homer.

Aristophanes in a well-known line describes (Sophocles) as cheerful in Hades’ kingdom as on earth.

Ares is brought to the...threshold of death in his 13 month...captivity in a bronze jar and now he might have died.

Apollo leading Cadmus and Harmonia’s wedding car pulled by a boar& lion.  Heard of that pair of yokemates before?  Hmm.

Apollo claims; men cannot hope to compete with the gods, so they should give up any attempt to do so. Lorenzo F. Garcia Jr.

Aphrodite "is...the sweetly smiling, laughter-loving, bright, golden,f ruitful, winsome, flower-faced, blushing, swift-eyed, golden-crowned.” Gayley

Aphrodite wants to meet Anchises' "brothers, those born from the same parents"  What's wrong with half and step?

Aphrodite asks the Cronides & Hera grants immortality to her son Aeneas. The river god Numicius (below) makes it so.

Any time we do something once again, we are performing a ritual.  Ritual has cosmic consequences as does “menis”

"Anticlea’s choice of adjective echoes Thetis address to Achilles in Il 1.417 as swift-fated and full of woe more than anyone else “  Dova"

Anticlea to her son Odysseus "as soon as the life leaves the white bones, and the spirit, like a dream, flits away, and hovers to and fro. "

Ancient Theban king responding to a nagging wife, "Jocasta! What? Are you my mother?

"an humans are allowed beyond three assaults, and if any should go as far as a fourth, they will be punished. Buchan 2004:51"

an island called Syra that lies over above Ortygia, where the land begins to turn round and look in another direction.” Odyssey 15:404

"Amos 7:14 I am not a prophet or a son of a prophet; no, I am a herdsman, and a forester”"

Among the Lydians, as among almost all other barbarians, to be seen naked carries the greatest disgrace, even for a man.  Herodotus 1.10

all the men who did this job for hire have made sure that, sooner or later, they shall pay the penalty Antigone 301

all the gods looked from heaven upon the ship and the race of demi-gods who sailed the (Black) sea, best of all men." Argonautica 1.547–552

All men who have any decency, in the attempting of matters great or small, always  start with prayer

Alas the gods have lured me to my destruction.  Iliad 22:295

Aiakos . . . the most cherished of mortals, who rendered judgments even for the gods. Pindar Isthmian 8.22-24

Ah! Would to Heaven the good ship Argo ne'er had sped its course  to the Colchian land through the misty blue Symplegades

Agamemnon is mad with rage and knows not how to look before and after  Iliad 1:343

After all, tomorrow is another day!

Aeneas to Andromache "I live, t’ is true. I lengthen out my days"

Aeneas 4.188 (Gossip) On the alert, on rooftops or on towers, bringing great cities fear, harping on lies &slander evenhandedly with truth.

Advise from Hades, Don’t bet your future on the roll of the dice.

Advices from Ares, If you don’t want to be the most loathsome of the gods, don’t pick God of War as your job.

advice...bestowed upon us, we feel inclined to ascertain for ourselves whether the result will turn out as predicted

Advice Glaucus (family friend of Diomedes) should have heard, "If someone asks if you are a god, you say, "yes!" (Ghostbusters)

Advice from Zeus, “Don’t marry your sister!”

Advice from Uranus “If your wife is a pregnant primordial goddess don’t even think about trying to get lucky.”

Advice from Oedipus, “If your mother says, ‘Yes, you are our beloved biological son.’, believe her and live happily ever after.”

Advice from Niobe,"Don’t brag to your best friend that your children are better than her children."  

Advice from Hephaestus, “Best Mother’s Day present ever? A new recliner! “  

Advice from Helios in the Odyssey, If you don’t get your way, threaten to light up the darkness (in Hades).  

Advice from Dionysus, “ Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.” (Oh wait, that was Ogden Nash.)