Monday, May 21, 2018

TFBT: Topics for Research, Part I

Recently, in reviewing my blogposts I noticed many posts on similar topics.  I hope my research is building on itself rather than circling endlessly around the same two posts.  So I wrote my friend Maya for help.  I believe she is brilliant and having read everything I have written she might have some insights on my work.  Of course prior to her kindly response I stumbled across something I had never looked into; Suitors of Helen versus Suitors of Penelope.  Maya suggested: Meleager, The Lack of Herclidae in the Trojan War and Otus & Ephialtes. 

So, here is Part I; Suitors of Helen versus Suitors of Penelope

I was looking up something in Maicar.com and ran across back to back listings for “The Suitors of Helen” and the “The Suitors of Penelope” it struck me that contrasting the two topics might be interesting.  The thing that struck me immediately was that all of Helen’s suitors survived the engagement party and only one of Penelope’s suitors (Odysseus) survived the big announcement. Sort of like the suitors of;  Atalanta, (whom she skew if the lost a footrace to her. ) Jocasta,  (slain by her counter-part Phix the Sphinx if the failed to explain the riddle. ) Hippodamia daughter of Oenomaus, (Her father slew the suitors that failed to win the chariot race. Of course he died in the cliche chariot crash.  As an aside to discuss later; In Greek vases Pelops and Hippodamia look like a couple eloping with daddy in hot pursuit, rather racers preparing to turn the post.  Likewise, the father in law of Idas met death (at his own hand) when he failed to catch up with his daughter and new husband.  More on them later.  And finally Penelope’s father Icarius chased after the departing newlyweds begging his daughter to stay.  Her response was famously to pull her veil.  He did not die. More on this too.

So in summary to contrast The Suitors of Helen” and the “The Suitors of Penelope”,  in Helen’s case, in sharp contrast to other women, there is no slaughter of the suitors. (Thanks to the Oath of Tyndareus, which was Odysseus’ idea.). Also  unique in the courtship of  the maiden Helene was the lack of a contest.  Her father simply let her chose her new husband.

In the Penelope’s case, as in the case of Atalanta, Hippodamia and Jocasta, the rejected suitors were slain.  Mentor-Athena says that if Odysseus should appear at the door armed with helmet, shield, and two spears as he does appear at the beginning of the spear-combat - the fate of the suitors would be swift and their wedding bitter (a 255 ff.).The contest in Penelope’s case was an archery contest.  First prize for every Homeric archery contest is a woman. 

However, regarding the maiden Penelope’s first round of suitors  “Pausanias, Description of Greece 3. 12. 4 :"On the opposite side of the office of the Bidiaians [in Sparta, Lakedaimonia] is a sanctuary of Athena. Odysseus is said to have set up the image and to have named it Keleuthea (Lady of the Road), when he had beaten the suitors of Penelope in the foot-race.”  (Others say that exchange for Odysseus' invaluable service, Tyndareus helped him to win the hand of His niece Penelope.)

So to summarize the similarities of the suitors of the maiden cousins Helen and Penelope.  None of the suitors died and Tyndareus might have influenced the outcome








2 comments:

  1. Bill,
    Thinking of Danaus and his daughters in addition to your examples, Greek mythology seems full of blood spilled as a result of dads determined to keep their daughters spinsters.

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  2. Maya,

    I have exactly understood the story of the Danaid. Danaus had exactly 50 daughters and his brother exactly 50 sons? Intermarriage is so disagreeable you invade another country and are welcomed with open arms? The cousins show up and force marriage, all(?) the Danaid (now no longer virgins) slay their slumbering husbands ala the Amazons? Of course, no one now wants to marry them now, so you have a foot race to convince them? None of this makes sense. Graves attempt to rationalize it doesn't help any. Plus it is folklore motif. I don't get it.

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