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Wednesday, September 27, 2017

TFBT: Human Sacrifice


My friend Maya commented, "I have not come across any theory why societies tend to abandon (human sacrifices) as they progress." 

World-wide many societies ended human sacrifice because;
“Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrew 10:8-10
But, why did the Ancient Greeks give it up? In Ancient Greek tradition, a sacrifice is a "diaz"; a community feast. Famously, the Olympian gods objected to eating human flesh at Tantalus' home. (Apollodorus, Bibliotheca E2. 1 - 3 ).

Could the taboo against human sacrifice reflect a trend in divine diet? In the Golden Age the Titans drank wine and ate meat with mortals. But in the continuing effort to separate themselves from mortals the Olympians dined separately from mortals and exclusively on ambrosia and nectar. So much so, that the youngest of the Olympians could not eat meat.
"Next glad-hearted Hermes dragged the rich meats he had prepared and put them on a smooth, flat stone, and divided them into twelve portions distributed by lot, making each portion wholly honorable. Then glorious Hermes longed for the sacrificial meat, for the sweet savor wearied him, god though he was; nevertheless his proud heart was not prevailed upon to devour the flesh" HH to Hermes
Following the gods example, men fasted to be purified for sacred rituals like the Eleusinian Mysteries in honor of Persephone whom like Christ returned from the dead.

If there is any sort of taboo on roast beef how much more so on human flesh?

Saturday, September 23, 2017

TFBT: Sarpedon Versus Hector

I was trying to find some insight in all this, but didn't. The contrast between the decision to let the demi-god Sarpedon and the decision to ket the Hero Hector die;

"Shall we save Sarpedon?" (Book 16)

The son of scheming Kronos looked down upon them in pity and said to Hera who was his wife and sister, “Alas, that it should be the lot of Sarpedon whom I love so dearly to perish by the hand of Patroklos. [435] I am in two minds whether to catch him up out of the fight and set him down safe and sound in the fertile district [dēmos] of Lycia, or to let him now fall by the hand of the son of Menoitios.”
And ox-vision Hera answered, [440] “Most dread son of Kronos, what is this that you are saying? Would you snatch a mortal man, whose doom has long been fated, out of the jaws of death? Do as you will, but we shall not all of us be of your mind. I say further, and lay my saying to your heart, [445] that if you send Sarpedon safely to his own home, some other of the gods will be also wanting to escort his son out of battle, for there are many sons of gods fighting round the city of Troy, and you will make everyone jealous. [450] ...The sire of gods and men assented, but 459 he poured down [kata-kheîn] bloody drops [psiades] to the earth [460] in honor [tīmē] of his son whom Patroklos was about to kill on the fertile plain of Troy far from his home.

 "Shall we save Hector?" (Book 22)



“All the gods watched them, and the sire of gods and men was the first to speak. "Alas,” said he, “my eyes behold a man who is dear to me being pursued round the walls of Troy; my heart is full of pity for Hector, [170] who has burned the thigh-bones of many a heifer in my honor, at one while on the of many-valleyed Ida, and again on the citadel of Troy; and now I see radiant Achilles in full pursuit of him round the city of Priam. What say you? Consider among yourselves [175] and decide whether we shall now save him or let him fall, valiant though he be, before Achilles, son of Peleus.”
Then owl-vision goddess Athena said, “Father, wielder of the lightning, lord of cloud and storm, what mean you? Would you pluck this mortal [180] whose doom has long been decreed out of the jaws of death? Do as you will, but we others shall not be of a mind with you.”And Zeus answered, “My child, Trito-born, take heart. I did not speak in full earnest, and I will let you have your way. [185] Do as your thinking [noos] tells you, without letting up, without hindrance.”Thus did he urge Athena who was already eager, and down she darted from the topmost summits of Olympus.

Wednesday, July 19, 2017

TFBT: Wuotes for July 2017

"Without Homer there would be no Virgil."  JO

"Aeneas' arrival on the banks of the Tiber is the beginning of bis Iliad and end of his Odyssey."  JO

αὐτοῦ κινηθέντος: ὃ δ᾽ ἤϊε νυκτὶ ἐοικώς.
 his coming was like the night.   Iliad 1.47

 “Telemachus did not see her (Athena) before him, or notice her; for in no wise do the gods appear in manifest presence to all. But Odysseus saw her, and the hounds, and they barked not, but with whining slunk in fear to the further side of the farmstead.”  Odysseus 16.160
“She (Athena) stood behind him, and seized the son of Peleus by his fair hair, appearing to him alone. No one of the others saw her.”  ( Iliad 1.196)
I offer a general formulation: for a mortal to appear like an immortal to other mortals is to become a divinity in a ritual moment of epiphany [[GN 2017.07.06 via MoM 2§17.]]
“I climbed a Kumquat tree to reach the top a high wall at the end of the school garden and went for coffee with friends. The best part was the climbing.”  Cecilia

"He smiles, time passing, lost in a dream." Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis

"for the safety of all is the need of all.” Xenophon, Anabasis 3.2.32

"He is one god or else he is two old men walking, leaning on the sticks, conspiring." Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis. An organization  in town asked me to give a presentation.  I stood at the back of the room with my materials waiting to be called to the stage. A finely dressed, professional looking woman at the front of the room lead the meeting.  Well, if you were in the audience it looked like se was leading the meeting.  From my perspective it was clear she was not.  Rather two old crones in the last row were running the show.  When the president asked for volunteers it was these two grandmothers that decided with a nudge who would volunteer.  Calls for discussion were met with root recitals of the grandmothers' instruction.  A show of hands was met with a surprisingly unanimous every time. I felt sorry for the woman up on the stage

"May I be given a god's duty a burden that matters." Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis

"With one foot always forward a  man reaches Heaven". Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis


"I...sail my boat upstream" Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis

I do not beat the donkey and called myself beloved of the gods.  Truly, I strive to carry the load without noticing the burden, to be on this hot earth a cool jug of water, to stand in the wind like sturdy sycamore branches, a place where birds rest, where cattle gather, where sap rises, wherein earth and sky are home." Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis

"With one foot always forward; a man reaches heaven." Awakening Osiris, Normandi Ellis




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Tuesday, April 4, 2017

TFBT: Quotes and Links, Part XV



“Juno’s (Hera’s) hatred transcends space and history, and it readily makes enemies of neutrals.” https://t.co/Pc0srdHiO3

“Jorgensen’s law, “Homer and the gods know which god is responsible for any act or circumstance in the narrative. Humans remain ignorant.”

Student #1; “It's plural; 3rd person! That doesn’t make sense.”
Student #2; “Translation drills don't make sense. Who could send one brother to many isles?"
Student #3; "Medea"

“It’s the unholy act that breeds more acts of the same kind” Aeschylus’ Agamemnon
“It’s not what you say, it’s why people think you are saying it!” http://t.co/RNQVCXO3C9

“It will be denied by few that the first great literary product of the world is the poems of Homer.”  D. J. Snider http://t.co/sImpYiCbb2

“It was wonderful to see the love and understanding between those 2 noble beings (father and son).  Each filled the other’s heart." Dumas, Caucasia

“It was easy to perceive that between Louis and Renaud...existed one of those...bonds which could only be forged by a woman.” Dumas, Alexandre

“It was a tribute to Art, whose power transcends the might of kings.” Alexander Dumas, Caucasia

"“It is with metis that charioteer is better than charioteer."" Nestor Iliad XXIII 318”"
 

“It is only in Russia," said he, "that poison enters into politics.” The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt

“It is not Homer's manner to applaud or censure directly” Saul Levin  http://t.co/VzwpF3tMJK

"“It is not always in the druggist's shop that are found the best remedies for severe diseases.” Casanova, Giacomo."

“It is just as unpunctual to be a quarter of an hour too soon as to arrive a quarter of an hour too late.” Dumas, Alexandre.

“It is hateful to me (Odysseus) to say the same thing over and over again.” (Od 12.453)  That would explain his compulsively lying!

“It is a blind man dwelling in Chios, rugged and rocky, whose songs, every one, are the best both now and hereafter” HH to Apollo 172-3

“It had been built without the consent of the immortals, and therefore it did not last.” Iliad 12:9

“Io the mythological proto-type of the Greek bride as respected suppliant” http://t.co/UbJ0DTz1QR

“Indeed, Odysseus, who is in fact called “hero” only once in the Odyssey.” Homeric Moment by Eva Brann
“In the hands of Leukothea, as elsewhere, the veil is a powerful instrument of boundary magic.”  https://t.co/RiQXVIQrhp

“In the autumn, the Volga is, to use a mathematical phrase, reduced to its lowest terms.” Adventures in Czarist Russia” Alexandre Dumas

"“In the age of myth, gods used to make mistakes, but not today in the age of ritual” https://t.co/GCNyudnzNA"

“In spite of the laws of nature, many persons have found him greater at a distance than close at hand.” “The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova"

“In ritual context indecency, otherwise taboo, is charged with procreative energy” Marilyn B. Skinner,    http://t.co/Gh8kJK1rGT

“In our world the gods are gone from the scene - to the relief of the rationalists and sorrow of the poets” page 35 Homeric Moments, Eva Brann,

“In Mekone it was decided what is a god and what a human being.” Scholium on Theogony 535

"“In local traditions, such as the Laconian, Thetis figures as a primordial goddess with the most fundamental cosmic powers,” Nagy_BA"

“In epic in contrast (to tragedy) the decision (to accept a suppliant) is usually swift and without painful consequences” http://t.co/UbJ0DTz1QR


“In a word, the Hellenic poet is the master of kleos; “That which is heard.”

“If your duty bids you to conceal the cause of your bad humor, it also bids you not to shew it.” Casanova, Giacomo."

“If you wish your audience to cry, you must shed tears...but if you wish to make them laugh you must...look as serious as a judge.” Casanova

"“If you have not done anything worthy of being recorded, at least write something worthy of being read.” Casanova, Giacomo."

“If Helen had not been restored, there could have been no Homer, “D. J. Snider http://t.co/sImpYiCbb2

“If a man attains his wish let him cling to it and not let it go for something far off.” Pindar Pythian 10

“I’m very much afraid that bravery may be merely a matter of what one is used to.” Alexander Dumas, Caucasia

“I, however, at age six am already showing a real aptitude for not believing inconvenient truths. “  Diana Abu-Jaber http://t.co/eInRSXTRoW
 
“I was getting ready to accompany the Bucentoro, on which the Doge was going, as usual, to wed the Adriatic,” https://t.co/L6292cW6FW

“I thought it my duty not to enlighten him.” https://t.co/vJxuWkX7JY

"“I should fight you on account of mortals, the wretches, who are like leaves. Iliad XXI 463-466”"

“I seek no mate that might look down on me.” Euripides “Rhesus”

“I saw at once that he was my son; nature had never been so indiscreet as in the amazing likeness between us.” Casanova, Giacomo. 

“I profited by this gracious invitation to idleness-one of the most agreeable which can be extended to a traveler” Dumas, Alexandre.

"“I pretend to the friendship, to the esteem, to the gratitude of my readers” Casanova"

"“I pretend to believe her, and we laughed like two augurs meeting each other alone” Casanova, Giacomo. “Memoirs of Casanova"

“I passed my hands over two spheres whose perfect shape and whiteness would have restored Lazarus to life.” The Memoirs of Casanova

“I maintain that deeds without dike…do not win with oaths.” Athena in Eumenides
“I loved her better than myself, but after obtaining possession...my self-love proved stronger” https://t.co/AjHPcKamxu

“I looked everywhere,   but all I found around me was my pain.” Philoctetes by Sophocles 330

“I loathe the wicked without doing them...injury. I...abstain from doing them...good, in the...belief that we ought not to cherish serpents. 

“I hung my head, for at the bottom of my heart I did believe in the possibility.” Dumas, Alexandre. “The Corsican Brothers.”

“I have loved women even to madness, but I have always loved liberty better” https://t.co/vJxuWkX7JY

"“I have always relied upon His providence, prayed to Him in my distress, and that He has always granted my prayers.” Casanova, Giacomo."

"“I found myself like the salamander, in the very heart of the fire for which I had been longing so ardently.” Casanova, Giacomo."

"“I found her surrounded by seven or eight well-seasoned admirers, who were burning at her feet the incense of their flattery.” Casanova,"
“I forgot that it is not possible to stop at friendship with a pretty woman”. Casanova
"“I congratulated myself upon having received a lesson of such importance for the remainder of my life.”  Casanova, Giacomo."
“I can easily contrive to drink my coffee well sweetened, and to make him drain the bitter cup.” https://t.co/vJxuWkX7JY

“I call them birds since they were winged, but mortal eye ne'er rested on such odd, unearthly shapes." Edgar Burroughs. “The Gods of Mars.”

“I both liked and esteemed him before...but since he has worn the tiara it's a different matter;” Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt

“I am dicing for my life with Fate”.  Euripides “Rhesus”

“I am a charioteer driving my team far beyond the course.” Agamemnon 1024

“I already had two friend by the name, so it seemed to me a good omen.” Alexander Dumas, Caucasia

“I adopted the only plan that despair could suggest, and that, of course, was not the right one.” https://t.co/AjHPcKamxu

“Hyperdorism” a word too Dorian to be genuine.  Frank J. Nisetich http://t.co/0RvW9UZjZ9

“Huionymic” opposite of patronymic as in “Odysseus, father of Telemachus” http://t.co/vte43ECxbR
“How stupid they are! I'd rather stand there three times in battle holding up my shield than give birth once.”  https://t.co/xzbpNfPyPK

“Honor xeinoi, and hetairoi the better” Adam Brown http://t.co/fCe8OaIpf5

“Honor to the Achaean name, the Achaeans will bear the kleos of Orestes in song even to future generations” Od 3:204

“Homer’s inexhaustibility” Homeric Moments, Eva Brann,

“Homer sings, though Odysseus only tells – lyre-less.” Homeric Moment by Eva Brann
“Homer avoids portrayal of bloodshed (between kinsmen)” http://t.co/UbJ0DTz1QR


“High-thundering Zeus, who inhabits the most exalted halls.” A nice line from Works and Days

“Hers is the loss and his the guilt.” Philip Vellacott on “Troy” and Paris

“Hermes goes to Ogygia as the Psychopomp, because the return of Odysseus follows the return of Persephone from Hades” Samatia Dova

“Here is courage, mankind’s finest possession, here is the noblest prize that a young man can endeavor to win,” Tyrtaeus of Sparta 

“Hera... does in fact manage to win over Aphrodite and Sleep, thus subverting Zeus' rule” B. Satterfield's Burial of Hektor, p. 163:

“Hera is the only Iliadic figure to swear by the Styx.” The Transformation of Hera by Joan V.O’Brien

“Hera herself remains committed to a demonic hatred not to be sated even in the conflagration of Troy.” The Transformation of Hera

“Her friends excelled her in beauty and in feeling, but my prejudiced eyes saw no one but Angela.” http://t.co/HhAeEAPafn

“Her close argument made me blush and carrying her beautiful hand to my lips, I confessed myself in the wrong.” http://t.co/cwp0uukP0u

“Hephaestus, by contrast, took a whole day.” Yoav Rinon  http://t.co/y0HBs50Aay

“Helen, therefore, is the image of Hellenic spirit, of all that Greece means to mankind and to itself.” D. J. Snider http://t.co/sImpYiCbb2

“Helen with the beautiful tresses is the cursed spouse who brings a dowry of death to Iion.” http://t.co/RqNPJEypDJ

“Helen is never more beautiful than when she give this boy the recognition that make him Telemachus... a young man.” Homeric Moment Eva Bran

“Hector...reached the first Greek ship, the very one from which the first Greek leaped onto Trojan soil to be also the first to die.” Brann 

“He spoke and the heart in the other did not twist away.” Bacchylides of Ceos  http://t.co/6fLR861rEv

Monday, March 27, 2017

TFBT: quotes and LInks VI



Remus had Twin Sons, Also Suckled by a She-Wolf https://t.co/SxVRvbNQ3O

Ref, the chariot race the polarity of the Nestor and Achilles reflects that of heroic values (bie and metis).  http://t.co/eluKomNP1A

Recorded video conversation with Professor Leonard Muellner and Hero 25 participants on the Embassy scene.  http://t.co/Z4lT0rWsfU

Recorded Hour 25 discussion on "Rhesus" by Euripides http://t.co/DPJv3Hq96s

“Reasonable men...pay no heed at all to the abduction of women...for they would not be abducted unless they wanted it.” Herodutus 1.4

Reading the Odyssey 1.1-21: with Frame, Nagy and Muellner http://t.co/8eUZcEDIWb  

Reading Homeric Greek: "Odyssey" 1.136-143, with Gregory Nagy, Muellner and Frame https://t.co/rpKLzwY22C

Read the Essay by Mary Lefkowitz; “A Stranger Comes to Thebes”. http://t.co/tvXVrNot

Read Online! “;The Aethiopis: Neo-Neoanalysis Reanalyzed” by Malcolm Davies https://t.co/VW4D7JV0d3

Read Hesiod's Cosmos by Jenny Strauss Clay. | Questia, Your Online Research Library: http://t.co/ucsDtD24

Read Euripides';”Medea”; with actor Paul O'Mahony http://t.co/J3i52vcmtK

Re: the Iliad "529 instances of...abstract nouns in speech(es), as against 90 in narrative (the Poet)" http://t.co/aFY7tax0

 Quiz on Zeus' sons and Penelope.  https://t.co/M1vKlHVDte
   
Quiz on Rubens' abduction in Prado. https://t.co/kgPOuHGyn6

"Q; Why is a Greek temple a good place that sleep?
A; You can lay your head on a pillar"

"Q; Why did the kitchen cleaner's job remind her of the Iliad?
A.  It was a study in ancient grease


"Q; Why did Odysseus, Ajax and Phoenix walk out of the bar where Achilles worked? 
A: Achilles was lyre-ing at them"

"Q; How do you greet Cerberus?
A; Hello, hello, hello!

"Q;  what did Polyphemus say to his sweetheart?
A;  You are the one-eye care for.

"Q;  What did one greek god call out to the others?
A;  Are you deaf or can you eros?

Pythian 3.83  “Fools make nothing of either.(good or bad)  The noble turn both to advantage folding pain within & showing beauty without." 

Pythian 3.21  " men which dishonors what is at home and looks far away, hunting down empty air with hopes that can't be fulfilled."

Pythagoreans: they could not only hear daimones, but even see them, http://t.co/usQgsjp1

Prolegomena to a Study of Eros on Roman Provincial Coinage: Introduction http://t.co/4nWOKaZK

Project: "Antigone" in High School https://t.co/eraErA8xGK

Professor Gregory Nagy discusses with Hour 25 the epic cycle, through the metaphor of the chariot wheel  http://t.co/WyLzlhxqxv

Professional Nagy and Friends discussing ring composition among other things.  http://t.co/5EWephm9jP