Thursday, November 30, 2017

TFBT: Hesiod's Cosmos, Part III


Over the Thanksgiving holiday I read Jenny Strauss Clay’s “Hesiod’s Cosmos”.  Looking at previous blogposts.  Apparently this is my third read-through.  Apparently, her insights are sticking, because as I read through my posts and studied the underlined items in the text, I said to myself, “I knew this already.”   

So the insights I offer here are a little different for a couple of reasons.  1)  My next big article will be about Aeacus and Arbitration in Ancient Greek myth.  2)  Freed from having to follow the now well-known arguments, I could now read for enjoyment alone.  I hope you will do the same. All quotes are from Clay unless noted otherwise.

Aeacus and Arbitration

 To favored kings they (the Muses) dispense the mollifying rhetoric that has the power to resolve even a great quarrel; those who have been wronged are sooth and reconciled.”

 “The people all look to him as he discerns the ordinances with straight judgments and he speaking without stumbling, quickly and expertly makes and end even to a big quarrel.” Theogony 84-87

 “The setting is clearly a communal feast shared by gods and men[i] a dias, whose very name derives from the act of division or apportionment; hence the formulaic expression, dais eish, referring to a fair and equitable distribution.  As a social institution, the dias eish involves two distinct kinds of apportionment; the first is a division into strictly equal parts…the second constitutes the portion of honor the geras, assigned in recognition of particular excellence or esteem.  With his division of the meat, Prometheus honors men by giving them all the edible parts of the ox.  By this very act, he deprives the gods of that part of the dais eish that legitimately belong to them.”   

Random Notes

“The gods in their blissful state needed the presence of inferior creatures to enjoy their superiority fully.”

“Pandora, who is coeval with the hiding of bios” Hey, same as Eve.

μηδέ ποτ᾽ οὐλομένην πενίην θυμοφθόρον ἀνδρὶ  τέτλαθ᾽ ὀνειδίζειν,
Don’t ever dare to blame a man for cursed soul-destroying poverty. 
Theogony 717

“Cereberus will later receive a place and function in the organization of Tartarus, ensuring that the dead cannot escape from the underworld.”  This is wrong.  Cereberus is there to keep the living from accidentally wandering in.  

At the outset, the cosmos came into being when Gaia became oppressed by the burden of her children within; so now in a parallel fashion  the external pressure of human population weighs her down.”   I think a better parallel is that the cosmos came into being when Gaia was oppressed by the constant weight of Uranus upon her and now “the external pressure of human population weighs her down”.  Gee, what does that say about us?  The severing of the demi-gods from their lives at Thebes and Troy constitutes a new dispensation, because the gods like their grandfather Uranus pull back from the earth.  It renders permanent the gulf separating the eternal gods from ephemeral mortals.”  It is the birth of the Iron Age, when Man rules.

I am convinced that meaning inheres in form.”

“The succession of races is not linear but cyclical; at the end of the age of iron…the cycle of races stars again with a new golden age or more likely a new age of heroes as the sequence reverse itself.”

“Thebes, traditionally reputed to be the first city.”

“Thebes and Troy where the heroes demonstrate their valor – and perhaps provide entertainment for the gods.”  




[i] The feast at Mecone celebrating the victory of the Olympians and their allies over the Titans.  It is the time of the Great Dispensation when Zeus allotted each their prerogatives, privileges and powers.

8 comments:

  1. Bill,
    I just love how Clay and other authors describe the minor incident at Mecone.
    They do not dwell on speculations about how it comes that gods and humans got at Mecone negotiating, and Prometheus got the knife in his hand. Is there any clue in Hesiod's text that it was a feast, or that something was actually eatern there? Methinks that all talk of the happy feast allegedly disturbed by Prometheus was a later invention. I also suppose that the story, if told in entirety, would contain more unpleasing moments for Zeus, because it is about these moments that Hesiod likes to keep silence.

    I also wonder why gods are considered by these authors "justly" entitled to 50% (or more) of an animal that is 100% supplied by humans. Even gods don't share this opinion. No god except Zeus is said to be angry after the Mecone trick. When gods want a sacrifice, they have their methods to secure it. And they never demand "strictly equal parts". Incinerating 50% of food would bring any ancient society to starvation.

    About Cerberus I agree with Clay. I even wonder, was Cerberus truly alive? What if he didn't survive his struggle with Heracles?

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  2. Maya,

    Yes it was a feast, a diaz, celebrating their victory over the Titans. Here is where they divided up the spoils. It wasn’t just the gods who got honors and privelges, but men (and animals too, but I don’t recall a reference) There are certain advantages to mortality as Chiron can attest.

    The thing I find puzzlingly about the debate over the sacrifice is why the gods cared at all. Admittedly the divine society’s shift in dietary laws was evolutionary. And yes the generation before had no problem gulping down wine, meat and bread. But the generation of gods after the Titanomachy like Hermes would not even be able to eat meat at all. They would live on ambrosia and nectar solely. ( How come we have no foundation myths about the food of the gods?)

    Prometheus was apportioning every’s share of the roast because he was their male herald before falling from grace

    Cereberus was actually the ghost of Cereberus? Now there is a thought

    Bill

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  3. Bill,

    So you think that there was just one Mecone conference? The gathering where Prometheus divided meat was the same one where Zeus exiled his brother to the barren sea and told the other brother, literally, to go to Hell? Interesting. I suppose that not only Prometheus but also many Olympians were not happy with the allocation of domains. This explains also why no Olympian except Zeus is said to be angry at Prometheus.

    If so, then before this event gods feasted with mortals because the former were Titan gods who did not need ambrosia and could eat meat. Olympians seem to have inborn errors of metabolism; they (or at least some of them) cannot eat meat without becoming mortal; it also seems that they depend on ambrosia and would become mortal without it, though, as far as I know, this is not stated directly anywhere.

    Incidentally, every case of Olympian rebellion against Zeus about which we have information is either in alliance with mortals (Demeter) or because of mortals (Apollo, Hera and all cases in the Iliad except Hephaestus, who is however helped by mortals afterwards). Zeus has a good reason to "pull the veil" separating gods and mortals.

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  4. Maya,

    There is that theory that there are two Mecone like events.

    Ares almost died whe two giants stuffed him in an urn for 7 months. If the Cyclops and 100-Handers were in Tartarus weren’t they technicaly “dead” until revived by ambrosia and nectar?

    Bill

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  5. Bill,
    We know that different parts of mythology do not fit together well. If a god deprived of ambrosia falls into vita minima, he would not be dangerous, at least not until someone offers him an ambrosia snack. However, the imprisoned Titans are chained, well guarded and regarded as a constant threat.

    At the same time, the Hymn to Demeter implies that gods would starve without sacrifices, and Aristophanes' Birds is based on this premise. (This is of course only for Olympians; Titans are just fine without any sacrifices.)

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  6. Maya,

    You got to wonder how they are doing these days

    Bill

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  7. My guess:

    "...There round the Islands of the Blest (Nesoi Makaron), the winds of Okeanos (Oceanus) play, and golden blossoms burn, some nursed upon the waters, others on land on glorious trees..." "...the grain-giving earth bears honey-sweet fruit flourishing thrice a year..." "Snow and tempest and thunderstorms never enter there..."

    http://www.theoi.com/Kosmos/Elysion.html

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    1. Maya,

      Nice thought for the evening. Thank you

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