Agamemnon in Iliad 2.115 complains "go ingloriously back to Argos with the loss of much people. Such is the will of strong Zeus, who has laid many a proud city in the dust"
In Iliad 4.405 Sthenelos brags "We boast ourselves as even better men than our fathers; we took seven-gated Thebes, though the wall was stronger and our men were fewer in number, for we trusted in the omens of the gods and in the help of Zeus, whereas they perished through their own sheer folly;"
Gregory Nagy in a recent article (A Sampling of Comments on Iliad Scroll 2). Says "The words of this challenge directed against the over-king Agamemnon by Sthenelos, charioteer of Diomedes, recall the epic traditions of the Epigonoi = Sons-of-the-Seven-against Thebes. Since Sthenelos figures as a character in two epic traditions, both the Iliadic and the Epigonic, his wording here can be seen as a cross-reference from the Iliadic tradition to the Epigonic. The cross-reference sets up a rivalry between the two epic traditions: the question is, are the Epigonoi as heroic characters superior to the heroic characters of the Iliad? "
For those who don't recall the Thebaid, the Epigoni conquered Thebes in a relatively short time. The Achaeans took ten years to conquer Troy. I don't believe they suffered the wrath of the gods afterwards
So what do you think? We're the Epigoni or the Army of Agamemnon the best of the Achaeans?