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Wednesday, October 22, 2014
TFTFBT: Bella Rophan at the Palmer House
Monday, October 20, 2014
TFBT: Heroes as Performers
"Do
not try me like a simple child, or a woman, who does not know war-work. I know well fights and man-slayings, I know
to the right, I know to the left how to move my ox-hide shield that I own for
warring. I know how to leap into the moil of swift horses, I know how to dance to hostile Ares in the
close fighting. " Hector at Iliad 7.235-241
At Hour 25 our classical studies club is studying Richard
Martin’s Language of Heroes. Currently, chapter 3; Heroes as
Performers.
After getting over; being called “deracinated” and the romantic notion
that Mycenean noblemen orated in dactyl hexameter, I found Martin’s analysis of
each major character’s speeches, amazing!
I am just noting highlights and points new to me. His analysis is much fuller and much more
amazing that the gleanings here.
He starts with Nestor
of course , which I’ve reviewed elsewhere. I can add here that according to Martin; “Irony…is not in Nestor's repertoire nor is
punning.” And that
“Nestor utilizes a
diachronic rhetoric of tradition versus contemporary situation.”
I’ve always wondered about Thersites performances. Martin says he is “ quite literally without meter in his performance.”
Agamemnon's speeches are
driven by fear of “ receiving a bad reputation”, that he is poor at apportioning moirai and has no clue that his
extravagant gifts listed by the Ambassadors in Book IX will look like he is
trying to buy Achilles.
Odysseus uses irony and puns. In commands, he is inclusive, using a first-person plural.
Martin reads Diomedes' and Glaukos' storytelling on the battlefield as vieled threats as to what they will do to one another on the battle field.
Hector
is
“constantly preoccupied with the winning
of reputation” and public opinion. Maybe
too preoccupied considering the conversation he had with himself before the
walls of Troy as Achilles closed in. Martin explains that Hector “knows that the gods cannot help him… so he
cares nothing about whether the birds go rightwards to sun and dawn or to the
left, to misty dusk"
Martin
demonstrates that Achilles is in
command; “Achilles directs the Achaeans
to ask … the cause of Apollo's anger … He authorizes speech … defends the
speaker, Kalkhas. .. has taken the initiative to call an assembly, another
indication of his respect for speech.” He used words rather than the sword on
Agamemnon; uses scepter dramatically,
tells a dramatic tale to his mother and “even coach her in techniques of
argumentation to win him honor from Zeus. “ His style is open, communicative, adaptable. Achilles' perspective is larger. His language likes Odysseus’ is inclusive and
explanatory. He also uses “The device of directing another to speak, so
that we may both know" which gives us the impression that Achilles cares
about what his listener thinks. “ Achilles uses command to pass on that
authority to others,” From person experience as Crew Boss of the Santa Fe
Hotshots, I can tell you this is an effective, flattering empowering
technique. “this self-deprecating strategy fits with Achilles' preference for
two-way communication between speaker and addressee. And of course, the denial
of command only increases respect for the hero “
Saturday, October 4, 2014
TFBT: Within the Kyklos
I was pleased to
attend lectures and participate in
discussions on divine plans and poetic narrative in the Iliad and
Odyssey, recently. The symposium was called; “Within the Kyklos: Whose Plan is This?”
Our guest scholars were Efimia D. Karakantza
(University of Patras, Greece), and Justin Arft (University of Missouri) at a Center for
Hellenic Studies Open House with the citizen scholars from Hour
25. You can enjoy the lectures too by clicking the
link above.
Some highlights of the presentation by the unflappable
Professor Karakantza include;
- Although at 8.473 and 15.61 Zeus foretells the death of Patroclus, it is not part of Zeus’ plan. In contrast, at 15.69 the son of Cronus says what he will cause.
- Achilles keeps changing the plot line. At 9.649 he changes his demands from getting respect before he returns to battle, to not returning until the ships are on fire. I asked whose will was stronger, Zeus’ or Achilles’? Karakantza said “The poet’s!”
- Achilles has two fits of menis, one with the Achaeans and one with Hector, hence Homer addresses the Muses again at the beginning of the new plotline (16.120)
- Patroclus (like Agamemnon) was trying to dishonor Achilles by attacking Troy and stealing his buddy’s glory
The roguish Professor Arft observed ;
- The Odyssey isn’t just about Odysseus’ return but also figuring out who he was.
- The return of Poseidon from Aethiopia in the Odyssey is comparable to Zeus awakening on Mt. Ida. (It struck me that both the Cronides returns to “reality” occur about mid-way through the chronology, that is if you straighten out the telling of the Odyssey. Which makes me wonder what insights might be gained by re-organizing the epic of Odysseus. Hmm.)
- Odysseus supplicating Arete is comparable to Thetis and Zeus
- Both Penelope and Arete are vital to his safe return. (It occurred to me or Justin said that Arete and Odysseus were xenios. I find it humorous that Odysseus claimed the same relationship with Polyphemus; that didn’t end up as well.)
- We discussed Gregory Nagy’s lecture “Was there a future for the Phaeacians of the Homeric Odyssey?” Arft wondered aloud how Poseidon could possibly doom the Phaeacians for fulfilling the will of Zeus.
- The will of Zeus is getting constantly screwed up by somebody or another all along the way
- He urged us citizen scholars to “err boldly”.
The dialogue ended with a moving speech from Professor Karakantza regarding Hector and Andromache’s final moments together, on the shallowness of the gods and profundity of the human condition .
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Wednesday, October 1, 2014
TFBT: Random Notes from Iliad XVI
I
read Book XVI today; the Death of Patroclus. It rained buckets naturally so it
wasn’t difficult to decided to stay inside and read. Very sad. This time my
emphasis was on looking for similes and metaphors. Particularly after just
reading Rhesus I noted how often the Achaians are compared to a pack of wolves
155-164,276,351-355 making Dolon’s choice of apparel even more untimely and
inappropriate. Here also glorious Homer compares men to trees; 482-4,632-5,765-771.
I noted with sadness that Patroclus and
Hector are compared to wild animals fighting and dying “over a little spring of
water” (825)
“till I (Zeus) have accomplished the desire
of the son of Peleus, according to the promise I made by bowing my head on the
day when Thetis touched my knees and besought me to give Achilles, ransacker of
cities, honor.” Iliad 15.74 I just
find that pretty
“have you had news
from Phthia?” Iliad 16.13 In recent
discussions at Hour 25, Janet asked if there weren’t any trips back and forth
to Greece in all those long nine and a half years. Achilles question above makes it appear that
such travel was conceiveable thing to the Achaeans before Troy.
Did I notice Homeric plagarism? Preparing for a discussion tomorrow I re-read
Book XVI of the Iliad and found; “the mighty slayer of Argos was enamored of
her as he saw her among the singing women at a dance held in honor of Artemis
the rushing huntress of the golden arrows; he therefore – Hermes, giver of all
good – went with her into an upper chamber,” Iliad 16.181
Now compare to the Homer Hymn to Aphrodite 117 “But
then, the one with the golden wand, the Argos-killer, abducted me, taking me
from a festival of song and dance in honor of Artemis, the one with the golden arrows.”
They
came swarming out like wasps whose nests are by the roadside, and whom silly
children love to tease, whereon any one who happens to be passing may get stung
– or again, if a wayfarer going along the road vexes them by accident, every
wasp will come flying out in a fury to
defend his little ones- even with such rage and courage did the Myrmidons swarm
from their ships, Iliad 16.259 Just another line of poetry I thought
pretty.
Saturday, September 20, 2014
TFBT: Random Notes on Rhesus
Here
are some random notes on my studies of the tragedy “Rhesus” seemingly written
by Euripides. I preferred Lattimore’s
translation.
“Will it ever happen again that our ancient
Troy will know the day-long revelries the love pledges and companionship, the
strumming of the lyres and the wine cups circling, passed to the right, in
sweet contention while on the open waters the sons of Atreus make for Sparta,
gone from the shores of Ilium?” Beautiful line, sounds a lot like the Isle of the Blest on the Zephyr blessed shores of the deep -whirling River Ocean.
Hector
to Rhesus; “Yet here are others, who are
not our kin by blood.” Just in case
you were curious, based on their riverine heritage; Rhesus and Hector were
first cousins thrice removed. The Rivers Strymon and Scamander (Xanthus in the divine language) were brothers. Scamander's daughter Strymo was the mother of Priam, Hector's father.
Rhesus
to Hector “You seem content to be acted
on, not to act.” This could have a
double meaning.
Euripides’
Rhesus recounts times when Odysseus was in and out of Troy during the previous
ten years. Ten years! Really?
What were these people doing all this time? The Achaeans seem to have no clue on how to
lay siege or of any siege craft. The
level of slaughter we seen in The Iliad at the final stages of the war would
have eradicated both armies if maintained for ten years. Based on the bragging and speeches upon the
battle field between the nobles I wonder if it had been nine years of ritual
warfare. At Troy it was all rattle and
roar, with a few duels and the real fatalities happening on night raids to over
whelm smaller towns and ambushes to catch the unwary.
Hector
to the guards “death by flogging or by
the headsman’s ax awaits you.” I don’t
recall any mention of corporal punishment or threat of such in Epic. (Excepting Odysseus and Thersite's of
course.) Is this demonstrating barbarian
despotism?
Starting
around line 200 Dolon and the Chorus offer prayers for his success. None of these prayers are proper by Epic
standards. No overly flattering
epithets, no reminder of relationship and obligation and no promise of thighs
burned on an altar. (See “Proper Pray and Personal
Conversations in the Iliad” for further discussion.)
When
Dolon set out on the task that would win him Achilles’ horses he wore a wolf
skin. When Rhesus’ charioteer dreamt of
the theft of his master’s horses, the thieves were wolves. What’s that all about?
“We can overrun the camp and walls of the
Achaeans, fire their ships and that this sunlight that begins to climb brings us
of Troy our day of liberty.” Of
course Hector is wrong, but a nice analogy between firing the ships and the
rising of the sun.
Chorus
speaking of Agamemnon’s severed head in Helen’s lap says “he lead the thousand ships” I thought the first reference to “a
thousand ships” was Christopher Marlowe in Doctor Faustus! Learn something new every day.
For further thoughts on Rhesus, please see
For further thoughts on Rhesus, please see
TFBT: Jasper Griffin’s “The Epic Cycle”
On
a long flight after a great get-away weekend with my wife, I delighted in re-reading
The Epic Cycle and the Uniqueness of Homer
by Jasper Griffin. I found this fourteen
page essay somewhere on my Nook. You can
find it at JSTOR by clicking the link above.
(If you do not have institutional access to JSTOR you can read it on line
simply by registering at MyJSTOR.)
If
you take the glory of Homer for granted, here is the place to renew your sense of
awe and appreciation for “the exceptional genius which went into the
creation of …the Iliad.”
Griffin
insists that between Homeric and Cyclic
a distinction did exist. “The strict,
radical, and consistently heroic interpretation” of the Iliadic world made
it quite different from the Cycle, with its miracles, un-tragic attitude
towards mortality, exoticism, romance and flattering, flowery, less-dense style
of composition. If
you need proof of his opinion; the second half of the essay is a careful
analysis, stylistically of Cyclic fragments.
He
observes “The Iliad is notably more
cautious with the fantastic.” Then uses Aristotle to point “out that Homer puts many things into the
mouths of his characters, when he himself does not wish to vouch for their
truth, most notably in the stories told by Odysseus… The fantastic, the
miraculous, and the romantic, all exceeded in the Cycle the austere limits to
which the Iliad confines them.”
“Even more, in the accommodating world
of the Cycle death itself can be evaded.” My friend Maya M1 refers to this phenomena
as “scholia as savior”. Griffin then summons Patroclus’ ghost, (Iliad
23. 69) to expound that in Homeric epic “the
dead do not return”. “For the Iliad, human life is defined by the
double inevitability of age and death; for the gods, men's opposite,
immortality and eternal youth are inseparable.
Men must die:”
Just
a sampling of contrasts he notes are that The Iliad;
- excludes low human types and motives.
- knew and suppressed the story about Achilles’ impenetrable armor. Hence the reason Apollo knocked it off Patroclus (Iliad xvi) so Hector can kill him.
- Fragments xviii and xix of the Cypria explain Chryseis was captured by the Achaeans when her city of Chryse was not because she was visiting Thebe at the time.
- In the Cycle, but not in Homer, homicides need to be purified; Griffin suggests this is due to the influence of Delphi.
The contrasts help to bring out the greatness and
the uniqueness that is Homer.
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1 Maya M is the
blogger at Maya
Corner where “ I write about things that interest me, in as
politically incorrect style as I like.”
She is a frequent contributer to Bill’s
Classical Studies. She
writes “ I had some interest in mythology as a child, and "Ancient Greek Legends and Myths" by
Nikolay Kun was among my favorite books. However, this interest was nothing out
of the ordinary. My education had no leaning to classics, except for the
mandatory review of ancient Greek literature in 9th grade. I was truly engaged
only about 2 years ago, when a kid to whom I am a teaching aide got to the
above mentioned 9th grade. My student seemed just bored by mythology and
ancient literature, but I looked at them with new eyes and was fascinated. My
background in biology naturally predisposed me to science-fiction rewriting of
some myths, but I try also to understand what they meant to their original
audience in the pre-scientific, "daimon-haunted" world.
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