I am preparing for Hour 25’s Book Club | October 2016:
Euripides’ Helen to be held on Tuesday, October 25, at 11
a.m. EDT. Here are my notes so far;
“[25]
Hera and Kypris, and the virgin daughter of Zeus, wishing to have the judgment…” With an Athenian audience
why didn’t Euripides say, Athena? Why be vague enough that Artemis could
be the daughter in question.
Famous
quote; “Zeus added further troubles to
these; for he brought a war upon the land of the Hellenes and the unhappy
Phrygians, so that he might lighten mother earth of her crowded mass of mortals”
“Helen:
What is it, poor man—who are you, that you have turned away from me and loathe
me for the misfortunes of that one?” Really? She asks Teucer’s name?
How rude!
Teucer: Do you know a certain Achilles, the
son of Peleus?
Helen: Yes, he came to woo Helen once, so I
hear.
That’s
not right! No one says this. Achilles was too young to woo Helen at
the time and too young to swear the Oath of Tyndareus. To say this
negates the Choice of Achilles, and questions one of the pivotal moments in
Ancient Greek history and culture
Teucer:
“That they killed themselves because of their sister. “ What! Again, no
one says this! Plus gods can’t kill themselves. If Euripides
is trying to raise shame in Helen, he could have done better by quoting Helen
from the Iliad as she looks out over the battlefield for her brothers.
” I not see, Castor, tamer of
horses, and the goodly boxer, Polydeuces, even mine own brethren, whom the same
mother bare. Either they followed not with the host from lovely Lacedaemon, or
though they followed hither in their seafaring ships, they have now no heart to
enter into the battle of warriors for fear of the words of shame and the many
revilings that are mine." [3.243] So said she; but they ere now were fast
holden of the life-giving earth there in Lacedaemon, in their dear native land.”
As to the charge that Leda hung herself; again,
no one said that anywhere. Plus as the mother of three Spartan
gods, mother-in-law of two goddesses and grandmother of 4 divine grandson’s
there were better things in store for her than the noose.
“reach the streams of Eurotas”
Every time I read this line, my inner ear hears the Homeric phrases “streams of
Oceanus” (Iliad 19.1 and 23.205, Odyssey 24.10 and 22.197) As in “[10] Hermes, the Helper, led them down the
dank ways. Past the streams of Oceanus they went, past the rock Leucas, past
the gates of the sun and the land of dreams” The quote refers to the Far
West the other three to the Far East. Interesting that both location have
a Leuce/Leuca island. The Stream of Oceanus waters the Isle of the Blest,
Helen’s ultimate homeland.
I have read the play, and can distinguish as the silliest ancient Greek text that I have seen. To paraphrase Rushdie, it is such a bad play that it gives bad plays a bad name. In the classicists' game "Which extant ancient work would you trade for a lost one?", the Helen tops my list. Unbelievable that it was written by the author of the Bacchae.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, it gave me some food for thought: Why is Demeter called "Mountain Goddess, Mother of the Gods"? And why does no mortal dare to say her daughter's name, while they are talking about Hades and asking things from him as if he is their old friend?
About Teucer - Helen did not want to reveal herself to him, so she had to pretend that she didn't know him.
Maya,
ReplyDeleteMountain Mother could probably be translated as Magna Mater. At some point Rhea, Demeter and other goddes all became aspects of the Phygrian goddess Cybele and (they) she was called collectively the Great Mother.
As to not saying the name of Demeter' daughter, note that he'd already said "Persephone". Rather he is talking about the secret name taught to those who attended the Eleusian Mysteries. The chorus has two stanzas on this topic which one really can't discuss. I think it is just a musical interlude so the actor playing Menelaus can change costumes. Sort of like a Cher concert. Going to attend the the book club?
No. I generally do not watch videos, they are too difficult to me to understand. But I enjoy reading the discussions in the forum.
ReplyDeleteDon't you think that Hera replacing the beautiful bride promised by Aphrodite with a phantom violates the "No God May Thwart" rule?
ReplyDeleteMaya,
DeleteEverything Euripides says mythological seems iffy. My only explanation is that the Will of Zeus trumps all. At some point all the gods seem complicant in the fall of Thebes and Troy, depopulating the world during the wars and during the Returns (Now called The Bronze Age Collapsed). Plus we seem to forget Helen was a goddess
Bill