Wednesday, July 24, 2013

TFBT: Random Notes from Hour 24

"And if the word is alive, the hero will live on." The Ancient Greek Hero in 24 Hours by Gregory Nagy

"The absence of any reference to the death of the Amazon queen, the murder of Thersites, the duel between Achilles and Memnon, the judgement of the weapons, the theft of the Palladion and the wooden horse does not mean that Homer was ignoring the poetic traditions preserved in the summaries and scattered fragments of the Cycle poems. The research done by the Neo-Analysts has, besides, drawn attention to the passages in the Iliad which seem to echo or imitate scenes from the lost epics. But it should instead be concluded that this deliberate silence, which the bards’ public was meant to understand, was intended directly to connect the fall of Troy with Hector’s death.  The Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

"The Iliad essentially only retains future events whose entire impact has to do with the actions it recounts, and keeps silent on the episodes and characteristic themes belonging to other songs ".  Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

"As if men could control the disputes caused by the gods amongst themselves, and escape the misfortune to which they are doomed by destiny! " The Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

Page 135, the Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau suggests that the scenes immediately following the duel between Menelaus and Paris are in parallel, that is; the battle resume and "meanwhile back in Troy" Paris and helen make love.  It as if, their loved making caused the war.  Peace was declared for the duel, the only way war can breakout again is if the fugitive couple, couple again. 

 "If fire is the metonymic symbol of the ruin of Troy, then submersion in water figures for the disappearance of the conquerors during the return journey. " Pg 142  The Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

"the consequences are clearly not the same for mortals and immortals. The latter play, lose and recover unharmed in the full radiance oftheir condition. The former suffer and die, " pg 149 The  Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

"The sovereign god is made manifest in two forms, whose deep connection remains briefly elusive: that of “father of men and gods”, on the one hand, and that of “son of Cronos” on the other. The first is the Olympian, keen to maintain the order which he himself set in place. The other has worrying – despotic – features;  " page 151 The Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau

Iris’ visit to Helen (III.121-138) adheres to an often misunderstood requirement. The veil which the Argive princess weaves in Paris’ bedroom can only be adorned with feats of war, which the weaver does not reproduce, as scholars generally say, but rather produces. When peace seems on the verge of being reestablished, even though the chances of its being so are entirely illusory, the weaving inevitably stops. It matters little that it is only for a short time" The Plot of Zeus by Philippe Rousseau Footnote 32

HHS to Dionysius  "the steersman took note right away, and he called out to his comrades and said to them: "What kind of daimōn has possessed you all! What kind of god is this that you have seized and tried to tie up, as he is? Why, he is too much for the well-built ship to make room for. You see, he must be either Zeus or Apollo, the one with the silver quiver, or Poseidon. I tell you, he is not like mortal humans, he is not like  them at all. Rather, he is like the gods who have their dwellings in Olympus. So come on, we should let him go, leaving him on the dark earth of the mainland. Let us do it right away. Do not manhandle him. What if he gets angry and stirs up winds that will make hardship, and a huge whirlwind?” That is how the steersman spoke. But the leader of the men reviled him, speaking with hateful words;"No, you are the one who is possessed by some kind of [daimōn..."   At which point things started getting weird and then terrifying. ".The men, terrified, were fleeing toward the stern of the ship, crowding around the steersman, the one who had a heart  that is moderate...As for the steersman,  (Dionysus] took pity on him, holding him back [from leaping overboard]. ( Dionysus] caused it to happen that (the steersman] became  the most (olbios) blessed  of all men." I note all the steersman had to do to save himself was object to injustice.  The consequent olbios that befell made his buddies supplicant him for on safety. How did he recognize the god?  Did the helmsman have the second sight?  Was he pious and therefore more in tune with the presence of the divine?  As an experience batsman could he feel the extraordinary weight associated with gods?  Was he just more enlightened and caring then his buddies? 
"And so, Glaukon, myth was saved, and it could save us in turn, if we trust it." Plato Republic 10.621b-c 

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