Showing posts with label Achilles. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Achilles. Show all posts

Tuesday, April 3, 2018

TFBT: The Song of Achilles

 

I met a woman on a jet somewhere during the last three weeks. She told me that Achilles was gay. I said, I don’t think so thinking of,

“But Achilles slept in an inner room, and beside him [665] the daughter of Phorbas lovely Diomede, whom he had carried off from Lesbos. Patroklos lay on the other side of the room, and with him fair-waisted Iphis whom radiant Achilles had given him when he took Skyros the city of Enyeus.” Iliad 9

She was real excited about a book her book club had picked out; “The Song of Achilles” by Madeline Miller. She was sure that Achilles had a lover named…
“Patroclus” I suggested.
 She talked about his mother named…
“Thetis.” I suggested. I filled in a few more items she couldn’t recall.
She asked how I knew so much and I explained about HeroesX. She couldn’t believe I had been studying The Iliad since the 4th grade. Nor could she believe we had a long conversation without talking politics. So I agreed to read her book and correspond with her. I will let you know how often I am yelling at the pages.

 So, I was all set to hate this book. Rather I am enjoying the authoress’ attempt to flesh out the tales we only know the outlines of. 

What I don’t enjoy is the jarring anachronisms; “changeling” a concept unknown in Greek myth; making “a sign against evil” again not a classical concept; a ”favor-currying noble”- I doubt if any bronze age warriors were brushing French centaurs; rabbit-warrens; the phrase “a stone in my shoe” used by someone several centuries before shoes; same with the phrase “a trick of low mummers”; and coins.  Was yew wood around in Ancient Greece?

Were Philoctetes and Heracles best friends? Miller seems ignorant of the fact that Patroclus and Achilles were related. Odysseus’ scar is way bigger than according to Homer.

Proteus was NOT Thetis’ father. Her father was Nereus and the difference is sort of a big thing.  Nor did Thetis have a reputation for hating mortals or cruelity. 

A goat was not sacrificed during the Oath of Tyndareus; 

Pausanias [3.20.9] Further on is what is called the Tomb of Horse. For Tyndareus, having sacrificed a horse here, administered an oath to the suitors of Helen, making them stand upon the pieces of the horse. The oath was to defend Helen and him who might be chosen to marry her if ever they should be wronged. When he had sworn the suitors he buried the horse here. 

Patroclus was too young to swear an oath according to the rules of that society. 

I like the description of Peleus as “excelling all his peers in piety”.  I like the quote “This was more of the gods than I had ever seen in my life.” And a voice like the “grinding of rocks in the surf.”

The authoress over-eroticizes Ancient Greek boyhood as many other modern authors do. Homer makes no mention of such behavior. In addition, as a former boy and father of a couple, I can say that Miller’s depiction of little boys’ thought processes does not ring true.  That said, Patroclus saying at 13 years old (page 59) “I did not like the sprawling length of my new limbs.” does sound very familiar to concerns I had in my youth. By page 62, the book was getting a little too gay for my taste; teenage boys making out on the beach is not something I needed to see in my minds-eye.  I don’t think I am the demographic the authoress is trying to reach.

As aside I should mention that “homosexuality” for the Ancient Greeks meant something totally different than what we think it is.  For them homosexuality was between a mature man and a boy.  I researched homosexuality among the Olympian gods once, ends up Ares, Hephaestus and Hades were the only strictly heterosexual gods on Olympus. The goddesses Athena, Artemis and Hestia always remained virgins. Which might explain the behavior of the other Olympian males!

Thursday, August 3, 2017

TFBT: Quotes in August



Plato tells of how Porus became drunk on nectar in the garden of Zeus, before wine was known (Plat. Sym. 203b), and the Neoplatonic philosopher Porphyrius claims that Zeus got Cronus drunk on honey in the days before wine, as well (De Ant. Nym. 7).  On the conflation of nectar and honey, see Roscher (1883).

“the boy cried and nestled in his nurse’s bosom, scared at the sight of his father’s … horse-hair plume that nodded fiercely from his helmet. His father and mother laughed to see him,” (Iliad VI 466–473) 
This scene always reminds me of something that happen when I was really little.  Us kids use to play cowboys and Indians.  I recall plastic six-shooters in leather holsters, a badge maybe and a straw cowboy hat.  The Indians were lead by the kids wearing the dime-store “Chief’s” headdress; a band of fabric with plastic feather.  That’s all we needed.  One of the kid’s baby brother would wander out to watch us.  The little guy would scream hysterically whenever someone wearing the head dress drew near.  Like Scamandrius’ parents, “we laugh to see him.”   His father so this happening one day and proposed a solution.  We distracted the little guy while his dad put the head-dress on him, then carried him into the trailer.  We all followed excitedly to see what would happen next.  His dad carried him into the bathroom and the big mirror there.  The baby’s eye grew wide at the “chief” in the mirror, the sound of horror rose to his throat and – stopped.  He liked what he saw, it was the power to terrorize others!

A friend wrote of Themis and Achilles that (Philostratus 46.6) “It is said that she also made for him weapons such as no one had yet carried.”  Where is this from?  I know only of Peleus spears that no other could lift.  Could these other weapons be the onces that Pindar prophecized about? 
Wise Themis spoke in their midst and said that it was fated that the sea-goddess should bear a princely son, stronger than his father, who would wield another weapon in his hand more powerful than the thunderbolt [35] or the irresistible trident, if she lay with Zeus or one of his brothers.”  Isthmian 8

We recently discussed clasps and greaves.  It reminded me that in “Helen in Egypt” the poetess Hilda Doolittle reveals that the silver clasp on Achilles left greave broke just as Helen came to the ramparts of Troy.  He was so stunned by her beauty that he forgot about his heel and the long moment taken to gaze upon that superhuman beauty gave Paris time to perfect his aim.

Whenever Adam gives me such obviously incorrect information, I just smile, slap him on the knee, and look out the window. Why spoil his dreams? They're such wonderful dreams. “  (Blast from the Past)

Friday, December 2, 2016

TFBT: The Fathers of the Achaeans



We often contrast Odysseus and Achilles, I got to thinking that maybe a similar contrast existed between their fathers.

 Using the short biographies at www.mythindex.com I started making a list. I ended up finding more similarities than I expected. Both were alive during and after the Trojan wars, had their kingdom overrun, saved by their grandsons, maybe married a pregnant bride, fathered a son and a daughter, hunted the Calydonian Boar, sailed aboard the Argo and were made young again by some goddess at the end of their lives.

These surprising similarities got me thinking about the rest of the characters in the Iliad. Menelaus and Agamemnon’s father was not alive, nor Diomedes’. Nestor and Priam’s fathers were not alive. I haven’t started looking, but I am pretty sure Neleus, Atreus and the fathers of the Epigoni were too busy battling one another to sail on the Argo. I wonder, if with a broad-brush, the events (Theban Wars, Boar Hunt, Argo) of the father’s lives affect the son’s. 

The lists of The Crew of the Argo (Wikipedia), the Epigoni (Wikipedia), the Seven Against Thebes (Wikipedia), the List of the Calydonian Hunters (Wikipeida) and list of the Leaders of the Achaeans (Maicar) is a lot of data to sort through.  But here goes.   Rather than trying to set up a massive database and then trying to sort the data, I picked individual hypotheses to test.  

Hypothetis One;  If your father died at the first Theban War;  you had an extraordinary chance of surviving the Second Theban War, surviving the bulk of the Trojan War and being part of the ambush in the Trojan Horse.  Research; Six out of Seven Against Thebes died, but only one out of their seven sons (the Epigoni) died in the Second Theban War.   Of the six remaining Epigoni, the Bibliotheca list four them in the Trojan Horse; Diomedes, Euryalus, Sthenelus and Thersander

Hypothetis Two; If you were an Achaean hero at Troy your father (grandfather or you) fought the Calydonian Boar and/or boarded the Argo.  Research   Wrong!  Only half the Achaean leaders had fathers fighting the boar or boarding the Argo, including Agamemnon, Menelaus and Diomedes.   

          Hypothetis Three; Why aren’t their father’s listed among the boar hunters?  Why did they miss the boat?  It is a geographic or racial thing?  

                     Hypothetis Four; Apparently Menelaus and Diomedes' fathers were busy with cannibalistic dinners rather than boating or boar hunting.  The other thing that M & D have in common is they were both beloved of the gods.  Menelaus was promised the Isle of the Blest by Proteus and Athena gave Diomedes the cup of immortality intended for his father.  I dont know yet if the link between your father's involvement in canniballism and your blessedness applies to the heroes in item three. (I doubt it).   But elsewhere we fan note the Tantalus served up human flesh and his son Pelops was loved by the gods.  (Well loved by Poseidon at least!). If we believe the stag Odysseus killed and ate on Circe''s island was a transforned man it follows that she sould make Odysseus'  son Telemachus immortal.

Tuesday, June 14, 2016

TFBT: The Argonaut Menoetius

I was researching the Argonaut Menoetius of Opus.  First let’s not confuse him with the very glorious and outrageous Titan Menoetius, blasted into Tartarus for his “mad presumption and exceeding pride."(Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 8) 
We are speaking about a mortal man here.  There didn’t seem much to say about him.  He is father of Patroclus, (Il 9.608) an Argonaut, maybe the first to give Heracles annual heroic honors (Diodorus 4.39.1), "Menoetius, the child of Aegina and Actor." (Pindar, Olympian Ode 9. 69was half-brother of Aeacus and grandfather of the goddess Eucleia who presided over the Greek victory at Marathon. (Paus. i.14.4)

But on closer examination, maybe there is something to say.  There is only on reference to Menoetius being an Argonaut; “Moreover Actor sent his son Menoetius from Opus that he might accompany the chiefs.”  (Argonautica 1.69)  It sounds as though he was a dutiful son rather than someone chasing after the glory of the ancestors.  

When young Patroclus kills the son of Amphidamas over a dice game, Menoetius whisked the boy off to Peleus in Phthia to be educated with his cousin Achilles. (Hom. Il. 23.85) Quite the loving father, not something you see often in Greek myth.  

Myth is skimpy about Menoetius, but as an Argonaut he would have known Heracles personally prior to the disappearance of Hylas.  And yet years later he offers up his old war-buddy heroic honors. 

Son of a nymph, he doesn’t rate as a demi-god, but Menoetius’ daughter
Myrto, with Heracles assistance, bore a gracious goddess in her father’s house.  (PlutarchAristides, 20. 6) Which has to say something about his dash of divinity and maybe even his piety. 

With a little optimism, the man I see when considering Menoetius is an honorable, loving man devoted to his friends and family, friend to demi-gods (Heracles) and if Plutarch is right,  family to the gods.  
 of Opus.  First let’s not confuse him with the very glorious and outrageous Titan Menoetius, blasted into Tartarus for his “mad presumption and exceeding pride."(Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 8)

We are speaking about a mortal man here.  There didn’t seem much to say about him.  He is father of Patroclus, (Il 9.608) an Argonaut, maybe the first to give Heracles annual heroic honors (Diodorus 4.39.1), "Menoetius, the child of Aegina and Actor." (Pindar, Olympian Ode 9. 69was half-brother of Aeacus and grandfather of the goddess Eucleia who presided over the Greek victory at Marathon. (Paus. i.14.4)

But on closer examination, maybe there is something to say.  There is only on reference to Menoetius being an Argonaut; “Moreover Actor sent his son Menoetius from Opus that he might accompany the chiefs.”  (Argonautica 1.69)  It sounds as though he was a dutiful son rather than someone chasing after the glory of the ancestors.  

When young Patroclus kills the son of Amphidamas over a dice game, Menoetius whisked the boy off to Peleus in Phthia to be educated with his cousin Achilles. (Hom. Il. 23.85) Quite the loving father, not something you see often in Greek myth.  

Myth is skimpy about Menoetius, but as an Argonaut he would have known Heracles personally prior to the disappearance of Hylas.  And yet years later he offers up his old war-buddy heroic honors. 

Son of a nymph, he doesn’t rate as a demi-god, but Menoetius’ daughter
Myrto, with Heracles assistance, bore a gracious goddess in her father’s house.  (PlutarchAristides, 20. 6) Which has to say something about his dash of divinity and maybe even his piety. 

With a little optimism, the man I see when considering Menoetius is an honorable, loving man devoted to his friends and family, friend to demi-gods (Heracles) and if Plutarch is right,  family to the gods.  

Thursday, April 7, 2016

TFBT: Spock, Achilles and Aesop


Captain Kirk provoking Dr. Spock into a fight calls him “a simpering, devil-eared freak, whose father was a computer and his mother an encyclopedia?"[i]  Whether you are a trekkie or no, it is quite the insult.  Hence the first time I heard “gray sea bore you and the sheer cliffs begot you,” in reference to Achilles (Iliad 16:30-34) that too struck quite the chord.  Here is the story of the latter insult; the goddess Leto heavy with the twins Apollo and Artemis having escaped the pursuing Python turned her feet towards Thessaly in search of a place to birth her children.  In horror of being the chosen site and attaining Hera’s eternal wrath, the river-god Anaurus fled as did the great nymph of Larisa and the cliffs of Chiron, too, abandoning to destiny the River Peneus, flowing calmly through the Vale of the Tempe below.[ii] The cliffs of Chiron are on Mt. Pelion in Thessaly, home of the Centaur Chiron.  Here Peleus, father of Achilles, and Achilles himself were raised when not a home in their Kingdom of Phthia.  In describing the rich plains of his homeland Prince Achilles mentions “both mountain and sounding sea." (Iliad 1.155) The background above helps explain the follow reference; “Now, however, he (Hector) kept trying to break the ranks of the enemy wherever he could see them thickest, and in the goodliest armor; but do what he might he could not break through them, for they stood as a tower foursquare, or as some high cliff rising from the gray sea that braves the anger of the gale.”  (Iliad 15: 615-619)  Achilles will someday soon be that cliff. And I end with the quote that got my research started; “May it never be my lot to nurse such a passion as you have done, to the damage of your own good name. Who in future story will speak well of you unless you now save the Argives from ruin? You know no pity; charioteer Peleus was not your father nor Thetis your mother, but the gray sea bore you and the sheer cliffs begot you,” (Iliad 16:30-34)

 

I have thought more on Aesop’s’  Venus and the Cat; A Cat fell in love with a handsome young man, and entreated Venus to change her into the form of a woman.  Venus consented to her request and transformed her into a beautiful damsel, so that the youth saw her and loved her, and took her home as his bride.  While the two were reclining in their chamber, Venus wishing to discover if the Cat in her change of shape had also altered her habits of life, let down a mouse in the middle of the room.  The Cat, quite forgetting her present condition, started up from the couch and pursued the mouse, wishing to eat it.  Venus was much disappointed and again caused her to return to her former shape.” [iii] Aphrodite in disgust turns the girl back into a cat.  In Greek mythology such things can be rarely undone. I thought specifically of Clay’s analysis of the Homeric Hymn to Apollo  the first epiphany of the new god on the threshold of Olympus and his eternally repeated entrance into this father’s house…as he did the first time and as he will forever.[iv]  Or as I like to say, “Once and for Always”.   Okay Tiresias got changed back into his original form, but that was more of a happy accident than divine intent. He saw two snakes coupling and struck them with his staff and as a consequence was turned into a maiden.  A year later “she” saw another pair of snakes doing the nasty, struck them again and his manhood returned.  When retelling this story he angered Hera, she blinded him.  “immortal deities may never turn decrees and deeds of other Gods to naught, but Jove, to recompense his loss of sight, endowed him with the gift of prophecy.”  (Ovid Metamorphoses 3.4)  However at Odyssey 10.388, Circe returned Odysseus’ men to their original shape.  So it is possible.

 

I have thought more on Aesop’s’ “Mercury and the Man Bitten by an Ant; A Man once saw a ship go down with all its crew, and commented severely on the injustice of the gods.”They care nothing for a man's character," said he, "but let the good and the bad go to their deaths together." There was an ant-heap close by where he was standing, and, just as he spoke, he was bitten in the foot by an Ant. Turning in a temper to the ant-heap he stamped upon it and crushed hundreds of unoffending ants. Suddenly Mercury appeared, and belaboured him with his staff, saying as he did so, "You villain, where's your nice sense of justice now?" This fable suggests that as men are to a hill of ants, so gods are to men.  Here Hermes betrays a sensitivity not at all in keeping with his character or the nature of the gods. Although several gods get emotional about the loss of mortal sons during the Trojan War for example Sarpedon, Achilles, Aeneas.  But, I don’t recall any objecting to the destruction of the city in general, the death of thousands or the Cyprian plot against humanity.  

 



[ii] Callimachus 4 Hymn to Delos; 104)    
[iii] Quote thanks to;   http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheCatandVenus
[iv] Jenny Strauss-Clay (The Politics of Olympus, 1989)